The Blog of Ben Rockwood

SA Pro Episode 0: Education and Qualifications

29 Aug '08 - 10:15 by benr

The very first episode of SA Pro is here!

In the podcast we'll use one of two formats, classic 1-on-1 interview style and a round-table discussion format. This episode is the latter.

Together with Joe Moore of Siemens and Mark Imbriaco of 37signals we discuss the following questions:

What is the mark of a good SA?
What are the essential qualifications?
Does formal education and/or certs matter?

Whats really new and unique is that Joe, Mark, and I don't know each other. They both responded to a request for participants on the OpenSolaris SA's list and matched the qualifications I was aiming for, thats the extent of it. This is interesting because even though the three of us are in very different circumstances, have different histories, and are geographically separated, we're not very dissimilar. It amazes me how much unity there is among a group with so few governing institutions.

The podcast is 1hr 6 mins and definately worth a listen. Feedback is appreciated, but this was the first one, so be kind. (Yes I know my audio was too low.)

A huge thank you goes out to Joe and Mark for participating!

- - C O M M E N T S - -
Ben,

Great podcast. The topics were appropriate and the discussion was interesting. The only thing you might want to look at is some normalization of the voices’ volume.

BTW, it looks like Berkeley has a Unix Systems Administrator course:
[[http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/sysadmin-c..]]

Matt Simmons (Email) - 29 August '08 - 13:55

I hope you setup a feed for the podcast.

cmdln (URL) - 29 August '08 - 14:30

Yes, please setup a podcast feed. You can do it at FeedBurner.com.

Lyle Troxell - 29 August '08 - 14:40

Feeds will be up next week and it’ll be put on iTunes. I rushed it out before the long US weekend.

benr - 29 August '08 - 17:23

Great podcast. From my point of view, the adminzen ([[http://adminzen.org/adminzen.pdf]]) is one great source for the general areas a sysadmin should focus on.

farmerjoe - 29 August '08 - 19:53

Thanks again for putting this together, Ben. I really enjoyed participating and if you’d ever like to chat again just let me know.

Mark Imbriaco (Email) - 30 August '08 - 01:25

Ben,

Thanks for this podcast! It was very interesting, and nice to get some outside perspective on our industry.

I thought the discussion about notes was interesting. When I started my current position, I decided to try using OneNote. As annoying as Microsoft products can be, OneNote is a pretty decent tool. I make a new page for each week, and keep a running log of the work that I do. If I come across a particularly useful command or tool, I make a point to record it. It’s also handy sometimes for CYA purposes by being able to point to a particular time and date that you did something.

Thanks,

Paul

Paul Frieden (Email) - 30 August '08 - 05:54

Ben,

This is good. Keep it up!

ionic_tea - 30 August '08 - 16:53

I also found the talk on notes quite interesting (surprising even). I would have thought senior level SysAdmin’s had things like that sorted out. Good to know that I (not a senior admin imo) have similar issues.

Anyway, I’d like to see more discussion on this topic

Cheers

Zed (Email) - 31 August '08 - 10:47

Great podcast. Please keep up the good work!

While I agree that industry certifications definitely do not equate to how good a sysadmin is, (experience has to be at the top) I do believe they do provide some value.

I do not have a degree, just my years of experience as a sysadmin. I feel my Sun certification gives my resume an official “baseline” of sorts, to go along with my experience.

I’ve also found that keeping my certification current has helped me keep up with the new changes in Solaris. My company is generally slow to adopt new technologies, studying for the tests in my home lab helped me focus on learning some of the “dryer” topics (like Solaris printing. Jeez.) I don’t think I would’ve gotten through the RBAC section if I hadn’t forked out my own money to take the tests. :)

And when my company started implementing fun stuff like ZFS and zones, I was ready for it.

Again, great podcast, please keep them coming :)

Ock - 31 August '08 - 14:17

I’ve been following your blog for a long time and I was excited to see this podcast. Keep doing this! There is a huge need for this content. Leo Laporte purposely avoids “enterprise” discussions on his various shows (e.g., Macbreak and Windows Weekly).

I agree with previous posters that I’d like to hear more discussions about notes. I personally use one of those bound lab notebooks. When it’s full, I start another. The main drawback is the inability to search the contents. I’m very interested in your use of a personal wiki.

cheek (Email) - 31 August '08 - 16:45

This was a very informative episode for me. It is surprising to learn that the qualifications of the System Administrator seem to be independent of the size of the organisation.

I’d like to hear more about education and certification.

In response to the ”long-term memory” part of the discussion – in addition to using configuration comments, I use Git commit messages and use version control on configuration folders.

Silumesii (URL) - 02 September '08 - 01:03

Awesome job. The only thing it lacks is some metal at the beginning :)

Derek Crudgington (Email) (URL) - 02 September '08 - 17:58

Hey Ben,
a great podcast, please keep them coming! Your effort is very appreciated! My only 3 criticisms were already adressed (volume, feed, metal! :-))

All the best from accross the pond,
Chris

Chris B. (Email) - 02 September '08 - 20:21

Hi Ben,

First: great initiative. My two cents here:

mediawiki is used extensively in our (small) IT dept, because of its ease of use. We’re able to document while we work and categorize and layout properly afterwards. What’s most important to me, is that everybody gets involved in documenting properly and keeping stuff up to date. We all know where particular pieces of information should go, so there’s no excuse anymore. The burden lies on all of us and that is why it works so well.

On certification and formal training, I’d like to think that they’re most useful in the selection of people with a lower skill level. Positions with more responsibility require highly skilled, experienced people with the right personality. For those people, certifications become less important than the overall picture. I’ve seen candidates who proudly collected lots and lots of certifications on their resume, and this usually meant they hadn’t done anything worth mentioning in their jobs. Of course, there’s always the exception. Sometimes getting certified is the best way to show you’re taking a particular subject seriously. Would you have your cabling done by certified engineers or wouldn’t you consider it important? Take care! Hans (NL)

hvm - 02 September '08 - 23:58

Is it possible to subscribe to the podcast through iTunes? I wasn’t able to find it there. Otherwise nice :)

Kaj Niemi (Email) - 03 September '08 - 08:20

Ill toss in a comment on the note taking ….
MoinMoin is pretty nice, they have a desktop edition that is self contained so you can run it on your laptop and have it with you all the time. Then you can export a package and import it into another wiki later (at least in theory, I have yet to try that part)

Nick Anderson (URL) - 05 September '08 - 07:32

Ben,

Quite an interesting listen, it was nice to hear your thoughts on education and certification. I’ll definately keep an ear out for the next installment.

On the subject of notes, I’ve always went with a ~/docs directory and a lot of text files. It’s not fancy but it’s searchable and works on any platform :)

Cheers, Gavin

Gavin Sandie - 08 September '08 - 08:16

Ben, great work! It was a wonderful listen, though a bit broken up due to my short (10 minute) drive to work.

2 comments – first, another vote for audio normalization.

On the topic of Universities offering SysAdmin degrees, I believe that RIT (Rochester Institute of Technology) in Rochester, NY was one of the first to offer degrees in SysAdmin. They currently offer both undergrad ([[http://www.rit.edu/programs/ugrad/coll..]]) and Masters-level ([[http://www.rit.edu/emcs/ptgrad/grad/13..]]) programs in Networking and Systems Administration. Ironically, I attended RIT for a semester before transferring to a (apparently much less IT-oriented) state school…

Jason Antman (Email) (URL) - 12 September '08 - 15:32

Ben-

Just listened to the podcast (kinda cough forgot I had downloaded it) and just loved it. I still don’t see it on iTunes or a link to a feed. Will you be doing another episode anytime soon? Please let us know.

Josh

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